Might as well tell the guys spending a year on the iSS as a Mars mission study to come home now. You crawl before you walk, you walk before you run. I think we should try to have an unmanned mission return to earth from Mars before we attempt to have a manned mission go to Mars. To start off, traveling to Mars is a very dangerous task. I was not attempting to say that the New World is just like Mars. Although the record was set in 1995 by Valery Polyakov, who flew on the Mir space station for 437 days. After the second or third landing, people stopped caring. "The notion that we can start colonizing Mars within the next 10 years or so is an overoptimistic, delusory idea that falls just short of being a joke.". I'm with you. Sure, saving the planet is hard. against the wall when the revolution comes... The martian atmosphere provides CO2 - that is 2 useful elements you can get just by sucking it through a pump. So one of the biggest problems when it comes to traveling to Mars is that we’re not just bringing ourselves… We’re bringing our microbes. Perchlorates are salt compounds that are often used in rocket propellants and they’re extremely harmful to humans. But if enough Astronauts haven't grown up yet then who am I to stop them? Don't say "solar power", because the Sun appears much smaller when viewed from Mars, and thus receives much less energy. Thank god at least here are no Mars-Indians. Copyright © 2021 SlashdotMedia. Because Mars is one of few places with a reasonable day/night cycle. All Rights Reserved. It takes CO2 from the atmosphere and makes O2 and CO - both just released to the atmosphere, no attempt to store it. No new comments can be posted. This is why Mars landings often include rockets firing toward the ground – so-called retro-rockets -- that help slow down the descent. It's always a concern when sending surface probes to pristine worlds such as Mars that we may inadvertently send a bunch of hitchhikers as well—that is, a whole gang of hardy microbes. That’s when your bone marrow can’t make new red blood cells. A Venusian cloud city isn't as "romantic", as you never get to physically walk on the surface... but it is indeed easier (very easy entry, much better radiation protection, earthlike gravity, more frequent launch windows, much easier EVAs, no landing site restrictions, much more sunlight (and nearly doubled due to reflection from below), etc) as well as being more useful. It’s a problem we’ve never dealt with before, and it’s going to be a huge challenge to overcome. The idea being that the atmosphere should be a more consistent and reliable source of raw materials than mined water ice. Imagine the energy requirements to transport a billion or so people from Earth to Mars. Instead I'd point out that all safety critical systems are engineered around the notion of redundancy. That's a rather short [youtube.com]-sighted [imdb.com] perspective on things. There are plenty of humans, we are not a scarce resource. Mars is … He reached a New World with soil that crops could be grown on, wild game that could be hunted and eaten, forests with trees that could be used to build shelters. On Mars that can work scaled up to wings a meter across because of the thin atmosphere also assisted by the low gravity. But she says Mars is not a good place for living for the long term. It has a much harsher thermal environment due to its complete lack of atmosphere. The Moon is not better than Mars. If humans do eventually land on Mars, they would not arrive alone. I suspect that AI and robotic development will reach the point that by the time we can send and return a few people to Mars, we can send indestructible “human-like” robots that can accomplish the same things (and more) on a Mars mission that a real human could do, but without the life-sustaining needs and fragility of humans. Mars doesn't make any sense, when we've got the moon just sitting there. I mean, seriously, and you want to use dug-up muddy Mars ice with who knows what in it as your feedstock? This means we have to design some sort of aerobreaking/parachute/glider/rocket hybrid approach. That’s why smaller rovers like Spirit and Opportunity used bizarre airbag systems to land and Curiosity, which was much heavier, had to use a combination of parachutes, thrusters, and a cable system to get there safely. But most of the time they're actually. But travel to and from a rotating space station would be a LOT easier. The SOx isn't actually as concentrated as most people picture, it's a diffuse mist... more like a bad smog. There May Be Life Beneath the Martian Surface That kind of thing would have had to start over 40 years ago. An international effort led by the US to expand a human presence to the Moon and Mars is working on the revenue side of the ledger. There have been expeditions to space stations smaller than the ISS, for duration longer than a trip to Mars. It would not be practical to extract the microscopic amounts of oxygen from the Martian atmosphere. An average 150-pound person on Earth would weigh only 57 pounds on Mars. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Google+ (Opens in new window). ...would be a grueling, eight- to nine-month-long nightmare for the crew,". At first, going to the moon was totally exciting, electrifying the entire world. Hope it gets approved.6) Hope that people are willing to go ahead and lock future manned missions into a particular site chosen that long in advance, before the mission hardware is even designed.7) Spend years building the refinery-craft, hope for no cutbacks or cancellations.8) Launch the refinery craft, hope for no accidents.9) Wait through cruise phase (hope for no accidents) and landing phase (again, hope)10) Hope that the new system actually works as desired for many years on end (which means keeping breakage-prone things like compressors running for long periods of time).11) Hope that a manned Mars mission actually gets funding -. Because if life could form twice in one solar system, the potential for life in other solar systems, and intelligent life, becomes very significant. While a rover is far less than a human 100 sophisticated rovers with advanced manipulators, semi-autonomy, and sample return capability are unlikely to be outperformed by one miserable man who can only move a few km from his landing point and can't stay more than a couple weeks. There are of course a couple disadvantages to being at altitude while exploring the surface. let alone the airless lifeless desert which is Mars. he seems to bring up alot of things that we already have overcome, the only thing that would be the most problem is the health issues like "your body’s muscles, including your heart..." etc and the water problem. Non of the Apollo missions spent a night. The main reason is radiation. Basically, Mars is a giant toxic waste dump. One way to do that is to have the probes float up even higher than the base on return from a surface trip, into even faster winds. Mars is colder than the South Pole. Anyhow, I can see some idea of "human achievement" in having the first person summit Everest. From dangerous Martian regolith, low gravity, and harmful cosmic radiation, Mars seems like the worst environment for human life in the solar system. It's no more and no less glamorous than throwing yourself off a train bridge to find out more about gravity.. My point was more about the narrow-minded thinking of staying where we are--all exploration and leaving of your comfort zone is dangerous with great potential for rewards. Mars is MORE hostile than the Moon. Left: Dust devils on Mars. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. If we go to Mars, the first trip would make headlines, so may the second, but then attention will fade. There's not a snowball's chance in hell of a long-endurance spacecraft using the existing state-of-the-art in life-support and logistical technology to endure for 9 months in space. ", Early navigators didn't know that. Of all the other planets in the solar system, Mars is the one most like Earth in terms of the ability of humans to live there. However with the Slashdot OP suggesting removing it from our list of goals altogether, that's a far worse joke than the joke "Mars One" and "Inspiration One" are making. And what would power it? Excellent argument, except for that part. Since it's a metaphysical certitude that Elon Musk doesn't vote Republican or belong to the Tea Party, your comment pushes the bounds of stupidity. The main problem is just funding the thing. NASA however is the most honest about it, they have it slated for 2035 at this present time which we can already suspect will slide backw. There is an important, often overlooked reason we aren't going back to the moon... Yeah, seriously. And the closest we have come to actually visualizing another planet where humans can survive, is the red planet Mars. I agree it would be cheaper. Once you are on your way, there's no way to bail out and come back quickly in the event of an emergency. Any colonies on that planet will have to be enclosed and perhaps even sub'martian' for the most part... until we've grown powerful enough as a specie to move it into a lunar orbit around something mass. The tech developed going to Mars will undoubtedly be useful when going other places. You don't seem to be aware of it, but we have been operating a solar-powered rover on Mars for well over ten years. People have suffered far worse; the early antarctic explorers, or sailors from the Age of Sail. I agree to an extent, but at this point, we'd just be sending out a 'few heroic lives' to do die lonely, pointless deaths that tell us nothing about anything. It exists, assuming we don't demand a single ground launch for said spacecraft or the trajectory skirts the outer edges of the belts rather than pass through the middle (what the Apollo missions did). So if one wants to look at the long term view, there's a lot of potential to produce a wide range of plastics and plant macronutrients just from the atmosphere - although metals and many of the lesser plant nutrients would probably have to come from the surface (such as the tailings from the rocks being studied (nearer term) or mined (longer term)) unless one is highly effective at capturing ash/dust. Because (at least some) gravity is a really useful thing to have. Nor is it difficult bringing several orders magnitude greater "stuff" than the article contemplates. I'm looking forward to toasting Ed Regis with the local moonshine from a beautiful view sitting above Candor Chasma Rim. I don't think anyone that's serious about going to Mars is assuming that resource extraction and management is a cakewalk. Five Reasons Going To Mars May Not Be Such A Hot Idea. I hate idiots who compare voyaging to the New World with voyaging into space. People will care about a colony on Mars as much as they care about the international space station. So SpaceX’s vertical propulsive landing option is probably best for Mars, but this is something that’s never been done up to this point, so it’s hard to know what challenges there are in attempting this with the thinner atmosphere and lower gravity. Author Of “The Martian” Says Colonizing Mars Is a Bad Idea "Establishing a colony on Mars is incredibly technically challenging and expensive." A telescope of any sort on the far side of the Moon would be a fantastic idea. I've recently visited a -- they say -- size-accurate replica of Pedro Alvares Cabral's caravel. John F Kennedy perfectly told the world WHY we should do hard things. And a few people leaving doesn't change the motivation or desire of those that are staying to take care of the environment. The thin atmosphere is also a nightmare for landing on Mars. If the NY Times author wants to criticize the time lines that's perfectly fine and dandy... and very much so accurate. Unfortunately, we've explored Venus so little that it's hard to make definitive statements. 5 Reasons Going To Mars is a TERRIBLE Idea. Mars is the closest thing we have to Earth in the entire solar system, and that’s not saying much. Given enough resources and a reduced concern for the health and safety of the astronauts, we could probably reach Mars about as fast as we could build the ship and launch it towards the red planet. I know, right? Here are 10 reasons why settling Mars is a really, really bad idea. While a ten-year deadline might be a bit tight considering the US would have to build up the industry to support such an effort, if it really wanted to it could very likely get a man to Mars and back within that schedule. But without economic reasons, this is not sustainable. There is another whole world out there, more interesting and more exciting than getting a good return on your investments, and extracting every last possible second out of life. We have plenty of humans here on earth... some would say a growing concern of way too focking many. argument: With the exception of a planet-destroying asteroid (similar to the one that formed the moon), there is no conceivable disaster that will leave the earth less inhabitable by humans than any other body within our conceivable reach. Actually, Venus's atmosphere has almost as much water vapor as Earth's atmosphere - it's just mixed in with a *lot* of other stuff, mainly CO2, which is why the percentage is so low. Technically, humanity probably could colonize Mars already. Mars is very cold - but its pretty consistent. Or, if aplastic anemia isn’t your thing, you might get agranulocytosis, which prevents your body from making white blood cells. After the students have an idea of persuasion from our discussion on commercials, I will inform the students that we will be writing persuasive letters to the perspective Mars One candidates persuading them either to reconsider their decision or to go for it. There are people willing to go there even if they won't survive very long. Many science fiction authors that tend toward Campbellian work like Kim Stanley Robinson have contemplated what a permanent Mars mission would look like, and before a human ever climbs into a rocket the nation-state has sent dozens of missions to begin the resource extraction process, mostly in the case of the science fiction authors, atmospheric extraction of vital elements, but the point still stands that a lot of mechanized work will happen autonomously to prepare the way for permanent human habitation. he puts on a good show, even if he "falls just short of being a joke". Exploring Mars (or pretending to settle it) with chemical rockets is really just playing with toys, the science equivalent of masturbation, and we really shouldn't bother with the cost. Nuking the poles won't change that... just give a very brief warm/wet spell. Not to mention the nasty super fine airborne dust. It would need it to be big enough to support a centrifugal section for living and working quarters. The Moon has wild variations in temperature depending on if you are in sunlight or shade - and the night lasts 2 weeks. He's just giving a reality check: there are technological problems we need to overcome first, and at the rate we're progressing, we won't be there in the next 10 years. Someone might get hurt. The costs to return to the Moon are estimated to be at least 1 or 2 billion dollars. We need to loft a multi-megawatt reactor to power those engines, provide ample power for life support, and generate a magnetic shield for protection from various forms of radiation. We could extract water from the soil, because it is present in subsurface ice, as well as in the form of water of hydration. When they emerged at the end, many were malnourished and emaciated. The people who reduce Mars resource extraction to simple "We'll simply do this, then that" statements have clearly never had to work building or maintaining mining, ore processing, and refining equipment on Earth, let alone on Mars ;) We've never done any sort of actual mining on other worlds (no, using a RAT or taking tiny dust samples is not "mining"), and most of the stuff one might consider even close to "refining" we've done in space has proved to be a maintenance nightmare. On Mars, the atmosphere is thick enough to burn you up on entry, but thin enough to make landing with a parachute extremely tricky. And there is plenty of interesting research to be done there as well. If going to Mars is a really bad idea, then why are so many people pushing for it? Talk to me about a cloud city on Venus though... that is a hot idea. Required fields are marked *. Mars is a deep gravity well, and there's little evidence that there is anything in it we want. The biggest tech breakthrough we will have in the next generation is the development of machines that can act ever more independently. And then there are the 18 months you would spend on Mars, which doesn’t have a magnetosphere and a very thin atmosphere. With what kind of (heavy) machinery would the water and soil be extracted? Seeing as how there was food(*), water(**), oxygen, space to move around, gravity and protection from cosmic radiation on their voyages, your analogy is completely fucking bogus. They're actually genetically changed to use less oxygen. You clearly have *no* idea about the orders of magnitude of difference between the 2 endeavours. Mars is dead. Yes, I know. We have limited resources, so to spend money on this non-senses is wrong. But, the biggest issues that future lunar plans face are costs and political will to move forward. Plus, the great thing about sailing ships is that they didn't rely on your destination having fuel refineries to get back. Plus, it's a "dry heat" ;). It's a fools errand. Space X and Tesla founder Elon Musk has a vision for colonising Mars, based on a big rocket, nuclear explosions and an infrastructure to transport millions of people there. And last but not least, number 5: The Contamination Problem. This really is a great analogy. Translation: Stupid people exist. There is no breathable air on Mars. The science can be done in unmanned missions. Hey, let's start with the Moon! They would have their own challenges; dealing with radiation and with the effects of zero-gravity on the human body in the longer term, but those don't instinctively feel as difficult as some of the problems highlighted in TFA. "The Human Race" is just too broad an abstraction to get me to emotionally engage with it. From that perspective, going to Mars could be a great boost - if we decide not to send humans but restrict ourselves to probes. ... let's not go to Mars. I'm sure the people left will want to survive, but if myself and the Earth are wiped out I don't really care that there are 200 people on Mars to carry on our DNA. It's about 100 ft in length (30 meters), and held about 150 men. Going to the moon is *way* easier, we do have the technology to establish a base there right now, it is immeasurably cheaper to finance - yet no one is suggesting seriously that we open a colony on the moon. This isn't traversing the seas to get to the new world, this is going to a place where we know we'll die. To everyone with the "We HAVE to leave earth or we're doomed!" "Yes, in an environment that can sustain life, heading to a place that might have something you want. In which case.... "Well played, sir!". Humans have never been exposed to this type of radiation for this long. Actually you were when you ignore reality. In any case near the poles you could put up panels that would swivel and get sun all month long. Been there, done that. She thinks we should go there, visit the planet and do science there. L5 colonies, asteroid mining, and ultimately island-hopping our way through the Solar System, the Oort cloud and beyond are far more entertaining and profitable enterprises than being tethered to another planet just because its there. People want to be a part of going somewhere different. Everest, however, ...has oxygen all on its own. It’ll Be Fun They Said…. Keeping all our eggs in this basket is our only optio. Everest, however, is within days journey of civilization, has a steady pipeline of supplies, has oxygen all on its own, and there are many smaller/easier mountains to practice on until we figure out what gear and techniques are needed to be successful. A lunar-lander style 'direct descent' would require a huge amount of fuel because the ascent engine would be pretty large, on top of the lander itself, and thus the descent engine would be prohibitively large. On the other hand, this was achieved in the days before we had robots or planes or whatever to do the exploring for us. Wait... it's not easy?Oh, well lets give up then. I for my part would happily join a trip to mars, even one way under a few conditions. Most plastics, for example, are indifferent to it. Changing the title for the Slashdot article to "Let's Not Go To Mars" implies that the author is suggesting we don't even try to land a person on Mars which is not really the point of the original article. If every nuclear weapon in existence were detonated all at once in a war-to-end-all-wars, the earth would still be much more inhabitable than any other body in our solar system. Because, unlike Earth, Mars has a very thin atmosphere and no magnetosphere. It would be expensive and unpleasant, but lots of things that have advanced humanity were expensive and unpleasant at first. Why Life on Mars May Be Impossible ... To determine whether the compound is a good thing or a bad thing for life, ... Go Now. And safety culture is doing it's best to stamp that shit out. First, aside from proving that we can do it, what is the point? 3 million pounds worth of supplies. We know solar energy works on Mars: we have done it, we are doing it. Always a favorite of PR firms and politicians.). But it also means long delays before you can launch people, even after you get the mission there. It's the only one we've got. If a homeless guy walks into your office, rubs shit in his hair, proclaims himself a god, and asks you to follow him, would your line of reasoning be "Well, he COULD be crazy...but I had better follow him anyway, because I could just be being too pessimistic"? Red blood cells are what carry oxygen through the body. That said, 'omg it's hard' is not valid reason not to exercise our ingenuity and expand our capacities. The scientific reasons for going to Mars can be summarised by the search for life, understanding the surface and the planet’s evolution, and preparing for future human exploration. There are plenty of places on the Moon to get 24/7 solar power. One goal of an offworld colony is a break from lots of the crap here on Earth. WIthout hurting anyone of course. It's not as glamorous because we've been there before, but it gets us into technology development. I plan on watching a newer documentary, The Martian, to learn more. Mars dust is probably easier to deal with. These systems can take decades to refine to the point where you can rely on them being dependable enough for the long periods of time involved in a Mars mission to have peoples' lives hinge upon them. One of the most notable is that the winds are far faster at those altitudes than at the surface, so you'd have to play "catchup" with your surface-exploring probes. As for your ideas on reasons to go or not go, I heartily concur. Everest has been done to death. What if sorry ass humans are the Universe's best shot at an advanced life from? Water, for example, which is kinda "must have" for any permanent settlement. Well, at least Ed Regis is in the esteemed company of people that believed that you would fall off the earth if you went too far east or west. It's not even possible on Mars as far as I know. Buoyancy = space. It's about going everywhere else. We've had the technology to launch - and land - men there since the '70s. And the lack of gravity only HELPS here; yes, it is initially disorienting to see people hanging at "nauseating angles" but it opens up a lot of wasted space, making what appears to be a very cramped habitat much more spacious because all that wasted space on the walls and ceilings can be put to use. Heck, the oxygen generator literally just dumps its hydrogen overboard and they never attempt to tank the oxygen. Those which have been used in the past are only good for a up to a couple 1000 kg, not enough for a manned landing by a long shot. There are over 7 billion humans on the planet, we can work on more that one thing at a time. Take smaller steps. If you want to come back, the minimum stay is 3-4 months while you wait for the planets to line up again. This is the difference between trying to explore the new world, from Europe, with 5 people, paddles and a canoe; or a fleet of diesel powered amphibious vessels holding thousands of tons of cargo, and hundreds/thousands of expeditionary personnel. Dreams of terraforming aside, in the short term (read: next few centuries at least) man will only be able to live on Mars if encapsulated in climate-controlled metal-tubes. I'm not opposed. Minor problem. Even with meticulous spacecraft cleaning procedures in place, we … So this would mean: 1) Hope that MOXIE doesn't get cut before launch2) Hope that Mars 2020 makes it into the 2020 launch window3) Arrive at Mars after a long cruise phase. But the amount of funds, resources, and amount of stuff needed to be launched into space to create a rotating space station is about as feasible as establishing a semi-permanent settlement on Mars. Any materials you want to use on the Moon must be mined from rocks, and that is harder. (Gotta love the passive voice. It wouldn't be so much for the science. That way, if the system fails, or produces resources that for some reason or another are not usable, people don't die. If mankind wants to expand beyond the earth, it will take nuclear propulsion. No doubt its FEASIBLE, but that degree of engineering doesn't happen without a LOT of buildup. To support Kurzgesagt and learn more about Brilliant, go to https://www.brilliant.org/nutshell and sign up for free. pgmrdlm writes: Bill Nye says the idea of Mars colonization and terraforming -- making a planet more Earth-like by modifying its atmosphere -- is science fiction. Always a favorite of PR firms and politicians. I'm all for space exploration, but without new physics it's not going to solve the problems we have on Earth. I think there is. I've enjoyed climbing on small scales myself, though mostly I prefer hiking (even on more difficult terrain). They also happen to have a lot of money, and apparently get bored easily. Otherwise, most of Regis' other arguments are bunk. Also trivial to simulate on a space station. One example is with MOXIE. -- with regrets to D. Adams. Unless you're doing a Poe. Because even a thin atmosphere beats hard vacuum by dampening the thermal swings during day/night cycle. I didn't see where he said we "shouldn't" go, just that it's a fantasy to think it'll be any time soon. We don't even have the practical technology to make our own deserts places people can live. Incident sunlight is about 500 W/m^2, about half that at Earth's surface, although it depends on season and dust loading in the atmosphere. It's just a premium selfie location for rich assholes now. With what kind of (heavy) machinery would the water and soil be extracted? I am not sure why people forget all the technology and inventions that come from space exploration...much of which does make our daily lives better. I'd much rather see that kind of money spent on improving the lives of actual living human beings right now. He is also wrong about the Hinderberg; hydrogen may well not have been the culprit (this theory was mainly pushed by the Nazis to blame the US for not selling them helium) and in any case the airship industry was mostly killed by powered flight getting better. For that matter an SPS could do it and for Lunar purposes wouldn't be an impractical idea at all. It would be a long, cramped, unpleasant journey? Outside our protective magnetic sphere, space is a shooting gallery of solar radiation and cosmic rays that would wreak havoc on our bodies to a level that right now we can only speculate. Latency doesn't matter much when operating Mars probes remotely, but on Venus, when any atmosphere-diving surface explorer probe is going to have a very limited period of time at the surface before it overheats, command latency is critical; also, maintenance needs on your surface probes are probably higher, which also calls for humans. Each has advantages. Hell, we have refugees cramming themselves for weeks at a time into tiny boxes that would seem luxuriously expansive to any astronaut in hopes of reaching a better life. Of course - no one will give a flying f*** about it - but this is about science and progress for humanity - not personal vanity, right? Thankfully there are notably different properties between the atmospheric constituents - for example, a chilling stage would first draw out a mixture of acids (containing the water and dusts), then the bulk CO2 would freeze out, leaving the N2 and noble gases. 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